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Showing posts with label Children of the Night. Show all posts
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Saturday, February 18, 2017


I came across this and after reading it my first reaction was "ditto".

Lois Lee had created "Children of the Night" in 1979.  I was 19 years old then and living in the same city as Lois.  I witnessed her creation of that program from her tiny apartment to the program it is today literally from the day it was just an idea Lois had.

I've spoken a few times about what Los Angeles was like in 1979.  If you know what it was like back then - then you know why Lois felt compelled to do what she did to launch her program.  I was witnessing the same war zone Lois was - and I agree - this was a war zone that existed long before Backpage or Craigslist ever existed.

I was actually right on the border of being one of Lois' clients.  I say that because I ran away from home when I was 13 years old myself in 1973.  Like so many youth who run away, I was being sexually abused by my father while being physically abused by my mother   At 13 years old, I was 5'4" tall, 109 pounds, and my measurements were literally 36C-26-36.  I ski'd just about every weekend while during the week.  I belonged to a school swim team so my body was very tight and mature looking for someone so young.

I mention this because when I ran away I wasn't going to wind up sleeping in some dumpster or alley somewhere.  There was this strip club I remember not far from my school called the "Dog Patch".  The owner wasn't very picky about checking the ID of young girls who would audition for them.  So on the very first day of my runaway story, I checked myself into a motel room next to the "Dog Patch".  Growing up watching women like Mae West, reading books like "The Happy Hooker", and listening to songs on the radio like "The Pill" sung by Loretta Lynn - I knew where I was going to be as a runaway kid.  That was working at the Dog Patch, living in the motel next door, dropping out of school and turning tricks with men old enough to be my grandfather.

My mother worked as a court reporter at the Los Angeles Juvenile Court.  I took a tour with her once of where the kids in juvenile hall were kept.   Through my mom's work, I saw what the group homes looked like as well.  One day trying "scare me silly" so I wouldn't cause any more problems at school - she took me to see where the other teens were incarcerated, as well as the runaway shelters.  Trust me - the world she showed me of where most kids wound up was light years away from where I was that first day of my runaway teen career in the  motel next to the Dog Patch.

I saw girls like me in my mom's juvenile court job.  Grown men who were teachers, social workers, and even judge's didn't view girls like me as "kids".  They were too busy starring at our tits.  I would see the boys and girls who were the type to be targeted by sexual predators.  If you threw in the mix this kid was also stripping or involved in prostitution - then every predators for MILES would be sniffing them out like a dog for the one reason that if you attack a virgin that's a student or a housewife - you will bring down the wrath of God and everyone in this country on you.  However, if you're a prostitute - then the system wouldn't lift a finger to help you back then.  You were considered "asking" for it.  With me - the fact I had big boobs meant I was "asking for it".

During the 1970's period before Lois started Children of the Night - these two cousins were pimps.  They started out their murdering spree that went down in history as pimps.  They were kidnapping women right off the streets.  Girls walking to the corner store or on their way to school or a girlfriend's house were thrown into these guy's car.  Then taken to a location where they were beaten, raped and tortured.

Then after they got bored with their victim and wanted to escalate the terror in them even more - they would take them to a motel room in the red light districts.  Forcing them at first with handcuffs to stay in the room, they'd bring the tricks in from the neighborhood to have sex with them and then also keep the money.  After some time at this, the handcuffs were taken off and then psychological bonds were used to keep them so afraid they wouldn't try to leave the room.

More tricks would be brought in this time.  After a few days the women would get so saturated with fear they'd decide to try the door to their freedom.  They'd then escape and go to the police but the police wouldn't lift a finger after hearing their story.  Why?  Because they had been branded "prostitute" by what these cousins did to them.  It was done deliberately to discredit the word of their victims.  The same rule applies believe it or not to children.  ESPECIALLY back in the 1970's as to be the brewing pot for what went into Lois creating Children of the Night.

Here look at this image of a child - very innocent looking right?

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But what if the juvenile looks like this:
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Because the above is a photo of a woman who was being traded for money while a juvenile.  Now if she were to cry "rape" - what do you think a lot of people's reaction was back in the 1970's?  I don't mean by today's standards - I mean by back then standards?

The film "Frozen Ground" is the most accurate portrayal in film of how we were treated by the legal system back in the 1970's.   Because this woman was a "prostitute" when she went to the police saying she had been drugged, kidnapped, chained up in this guy's basement, then drug out to an island where he tried to shoot her for sport - the police "round filed" her complaint and wouldn't even search the guy's house.  Why?  Because she was a "prostitute" and in the eyes of the law back in the 1970's that meant "criminal" and "worthless".

So if a kid was being sexually abused at home and therefore probably ran away to escape this abuse, and then that same child is put into the foster care system or the juvenile detention system - this means every predator within range is going to hone in on that particular child because they offer them something more important than sexual pleasure - and that's immunity!

I myself thought about turning to Children of the Night when I was trapped within the sex industry myself - but I was over 18 years old at the time.  The family who was trafficking me only targeted women over 18 years old to avoid any problems connected to messing with a juvenile.  Because believe me people don't care about you once you turn 18 years old - then or now.  Even now reporters will tell me "don't you have a juvenile we can talk to?"  because they claim "our readers don't want to hear about nor care about what happens to adults".  Well maybe that attitude is shaped by the press who only puts that in front of them TO care about!

But there was nothing for an adult to turn to for help.  I saw how Lois had a safe place for kids to run to and I realized there was no where for an adult like myself to run to.  So I created it.  I took a warehouse I had once used as an incall location and converted it into what is now known as the first safe house for adults in America.

My reward?  I got arrested and accused of "running a brothel" out of it.  You can read about it at   So when I got my case over and dealt with I realized I needed to create an "outpatient" program where I couldn't be arrested like that ever again.  Which meant a hotline had to be set up.  Lois had the Children of the Night hotline specifically targeting the type of kids she wanted to target.  Since there was no such hotline for adults - I had to start one also.  So in many ways I modeled what I saw Lois doing for kids and adapted it to adults.  This meant Prostitutes Anonymous was born in 1987.

Lois is right - many juveniles and people who pimp juveniles would advertise in Backpage.  However, ADULT traffickers operate differently much of the time from how juveniles operate.  People make false assumptions here what trafficking vs. prostitution is.  Yes adult women wanting to prostitute themselves used Craigslist and Backpage.  So yes people wanting to think about quitting prostitution "one day" would be on those sites.

But those were "prostitutes" - NOT "trafficking victims".  The adult "trafficking victims" I was finding were in underground brothels, legal brothels, massage parlors, strip clubs.  Okay here's an example of ADULT sex trafficking and where we would also target our efforts to locate and help said victims - look at the case of the DEA owned strip club in New Jersey:  Now this club was more than just owned by DEA agents.  Take a look at how this arrest went down.  It went down because some people had complained to a senator about DEA agents who were partying with Columbian drug lords who were so comfortable with those same drug lords they were sleeping with prostitutes at a party and putting down their guns to be able to enjoy those prostitutes.

It was because of an investigation into THIS accusation   which uncovered this club here in the states owned by some of those same agents.  Agents who were going over to Columbia and partying with drug lords.

Why?  The dancers at this club were illegal aliens from Columbia.  I want people to hear me on this because I keep hearing a strange SEPARATION in the media, and therefore the public's, mind when it comes to the issue of illegal aliens in this country and sex trafficking victims.  Because these women were in this country illegally - they were afraid to go to any of the authorities.

Also understand these women weren't just afraid of the authorities because of the risk of being deported.  To them that would mean "escape" right?  No it didn't.  It would mean deporting them back to Columbia into the hands of the same drug Cartel these agents were so buddy buddy with.  Meaning they'd just be drug right back right?  Well here's the thing - if during the deportation process they were to open their mouth about those DEA agents owning that club, and then they were delivered right back into their hands on the other end in Columbia - it also means these women would know they needed to keep their mouth shut.

Well they just get offered "witness protection" right?  Not when their whole family is right back in Columbia where the Cartel knows exactly where they are.  We're talking Pablo Escobar country here folks.  We're talking a country where Pablo, a drug lord, built his own jail with his own personal escape hatch!  Do you think then that same country could protect a woman's family from these same drug lords?

I want people to understand Lois was dealing with juveniles in Backpage who needed help.  However, when it comes to the type of person WE'RE helping on an adult level - that's not who our "target demographic" is.  Yes we get calls from people who would advertise on Backpage they wanted to quit prostitution.  But 9 out of 10 times that person would only be doing it for the money.  They lost their job, got their hours at that job cut, the economy is bad, they have a drug problem, or whatever the reason was.  With them you help them find better paying work and they're out of prostitution.  Easy peasey.

But for an adult sex trafficking victim I want you to really digest what I'm saying here we were dealing with.  The women at this same club COULD NOT BE RESCUED.  Why do you think they didn't just leave the club?  No one had to put chains around their ankles and strap them to the bar to prevent them from leaving. Why?  Because the minute they would run a phone call would go out and their family back in Columbia would be slaughtered.

Meaning you could put an anti-trafficking program for adults right next to this same strip club and it's going to be empty.  You can't go in and "rescue" someone in this type of situation either because you're then triggering a death warrant on their family back home.   Now don't you think these DEA agents also knew all the local cops?  The local judges?  The local politicians?  The local Secret Service also remember?

I'm explaining to you why when dealing with adult sex trafficking we're talking a different thing completely from what someone like Lois is dealing with about juveniles.  I want you to just for a moment put yourself into the shoes of one of these Colombian women working at this DEA owned strip club.  EVERY DAY you see in this club not only other DEA agents, but SECRET SERVICE agents.  Meaning again by association you're also going to see some local police, politicians, sheriff's, private investigators, judges, etc.  Just like you see in the Pennsylvania case -

Seriously, this is not limited to one NJ strip club.     But let's take those women at that club - could I call up the local trafficking task force to help these women?  Here is the NJ human trafficking task force -  Now what is the NJ trafficking task force doing now?  "Teaching teachers how to mobilize".  Okay I don't think there's a lot of school teachers who would be in that strip club looking for victims - so can anyone say "misdirect attention"?

Let's look at who are some of the "liasons" with this trafficking task force shall we?  Notice who there's a lot of on this page?  Detectives.

My grandmother used to have a saying about "the fox shouldn't be guarding the chicken coop".  Follow the logic here - in Columbia Pablo became a member of Congress.  He was able to help write legislation of that country to prevent extradition.  He was even able to murder two people in the prison he was allowed to build for himself.  So let me ask you something - do you really think that this type of system isn't now operating with respect to sex trafficking as drug trafficking?  In Columbia - the Cartel have control over the phone systems.  You call to report something to the police - and within five minutes you have assassinations at your doorstep wiping you out for just making the report.

So within that same logic - do you really think those women could call either the local police or the local trafficking task force for help?  So why are those cops there?  They're there because the people who are the traffickers can then trace every call coming in about sex trafficking victims so they can do what?  "Misdirect" them away from their own victims just as we've seen with the Celeste Guap case in Oakland, California.  Not a whole coast away but PART OF THE SAME NETWORK.  Now if you follow my blog at all - you'll know that I said Celeste was deliberately arrested, and then deliberately held on a $300,000 bail for what reason?  I told you she was being held on a high bail to not only stop her from speaking to the press which she has not done since Florida by the way - but also that while she was in custody in Florida I told you she would be having people all over her convincing her to shut up about what she went through.

But I want you to trace HOW Celeste got "offered a deal".  She was taken by the Redmond POLICE who got ahold of her through the Office of Victim Services.  Who referred her to the Redmond Police  NOT to Sex Workers Anonymous.  In fact, Nancy O'Malley, the Alameda prosecutor's office, kept Celeste away from us.  When I tried to enlist her office's help to speak to Celeste I was told "no we're handling it".  Yeah they were.  They "handled" her right onto a plane to get her into Florida where she could then be set up on a police charge there.  Why there?  So no one would say it had anything to do with Oakland is why.  Simple.

Note the article here says she was "offered a deal".  No folks - that's not what it's called.  I've been in Celeste's shoes remember?  Only when I was held in 1984 on a $50,000 bail myself - I was not "offered a deal".  That's a nice way of saying I was having my life threatened if I didn't do what they wanted me to do and also to keep my mouth shut.  That's why you won't see any interviews with me and the press after my 1984 arrest until I pop up again in 1987 announcing our hotline and program have been launched.

Now while Celeste did advertise her prostitution services on sites like Backpage and Facebook - when it came to sex trafficking that wasn't who was trafficking her.  Celeste only advertised on Backpage - she wasn't trafficked by Backpage.  But the men in the Oakland sex trafficking task forces have admitted to now having kept her away from task force operations in order she not be offered help and to cover up their own asses.

Which is what I'm trying to explain here - the traffickers in America are connected to the anti-trafficking task forces.  Our adult victims can't call the police for help.  Meaning the National Trafficking Hotline is useless for a sex trafficking victim on American soil.  Let's take a look at what they have listed for help in New Jersey shall we?

Okay we have a group in Maryland, a Catholic Church, family services, social services for youth, the city bar association (lawyers), Courtney's house is a residential program for women who were mostly street walkers, an Allentown, PA group, about four more youth groups while these were adult women stripping in that NJ club, some religious programs, a Maryland program, another Pennsylvania program, a couple of more youth programs, a program in Virginia - I mean is anyone beginning to see what's going on here with the joke being on us?

You're a NJ based illegal alien from Columbia who was brought into this country illegally so you could work for this DEA owned strip club, a club where you're seeing all the local law enforcement including the Secret Service agents are coming into this club to party with you, and the local Human Trafficking Hotline is a list of more people who know these cops, the National Trafficking Hotline if you get the guts to call them for help refer you to a bunch of programs that either don't work with adults, work with Asian's, or are based in a completely different state.  If you go into one of these shelters they have listed - the owners and people who staff these programs are interacting with law enforcement daily.

Meaning the guys who own this strip club know who everyone is in the local anti-trafficking scene EXCEPT  - who do you NOT see listed in either the NJ National Trafficking Hotline NOR the NJ Human Trafficking Task Force?  I'll tell you two names not found on either of those directories right now - Children of the Night for juvenile victims and Sex Workers Anonymous for adult victims.

Is anyone getting the picture yet here of who it is we're fighting with respect to saving sex trafficking victims on American soil?  Now I ask you - can we take one of these women to one of these programs or shelters - or anywhere for that matter knowing that if we take them somewhere not only are we going to get all of these law enforcement offices coming after us trying to retrieve and silence that victim (as they did with Celeste - with Celeste they stepped inbetween SWA and her, and they had her in a cop car going to Florida to also get her away from us and then "offered her a deal" which has resulted in her not speaking to the press anymore about her connections with local cops and the trafficking task force, and she's still hooking on Facebook last time I looked), but further we know the Columbian's will have someone sent out to murder her whole family back in Columbia.

I mean are you getting the picture here why we don't send in teams of SWA members into strip clubs to do "outreach" for one thing?  That we don't go in there and say "come with us and we'll rescue you" because we know that will only trigger harm to come to her family.

There's no point in putting her into some residential program like Courtney's House or FAIR Girls or any of those types of programs because those guys not only know right where they all are, but they're also able to go walking right into the place to "pull them out for questioning", and I'd like you to note how not ONE of these Columbia strippers (if you want to call them that because of being forced to work as a stripper) is speaking about their trafficking ordeal at the local churches, the local news, nor at any of these anti-trafficking luncheon fund raisers they put on where they trot out some victim to tell horror stories to loosen purse strings.

I also want you to see that shutting down Backpage doesn't have one single thing to do with this type of victim either EXCEPT to shut down the victims' ability to find out about HELP.  Again please look at how everything in the NJ anti-trafficking arena does not include any information on Children of the Night nor SWA.  However, Lois said she can advertise Children of the Night on Backpage and reach out information to those juveniles who are on there.  Also, SWA can put out ads for help on Backpage.

So let's just take a hypothetical question here - if these people wanted to block victims from leaving so badly as to threaten their family back home with murder if they left - then isn't it also possible they don't want these victims to know about two groups who can actually get them out of there?  Now if you wanted to keep that information out of the victims' hands as to where they could go for help - would you not then shut down the way we can reach them?  Wouldn't you want Backpage shut down for the fact WE here at SWA and Lois at CON can reach the eyes of their victims and know they can call us for help that will work?  Wouldn't you also want those victims to have useless phone numbers?  Come on - you're a victim who can barely speak English and you start calling all those numbers who are on the task force page or the National Trafficking Hotline's resource list and by the end of the day you're going to think "there's no way out there for me"?

In other words, the people who want Backpage down are the traffickers themselves who don't want word of how they can call and get some REAL help to reach the victims eyes and ears.  I mean how else do you explain the system that's being used here to keep victims from finding out about CON for juveniles and SWA for adults?  They sure as heck keep us out of their task forces and off their resource listings.

How else do you explain the rise of people like Melissa Woodward?  Take a real good look at what someone came to me about a few days ago with respect to her "trafficking work" -  There's more information on that page about it.  Shanna has described to me a whole sphere of influence which surrounded Melissa where not only was money donated to a fake rescue, the stories about rescues were fake, there was no safe house, and on and on about how even the FBI "vouched" for this woman.  Yes there was a whole sphere of people who supported each other and made it appear to outsiders that they were "fighting sex trafficking' while in reality not only spinning their wheels but also being kept out of helping groups like ours who are actually in there getting those types of victims out and to safety.

I want you to think about what it would take to actually get a victim out of this type of situation I'm describing to you.  Celeste Guap for example has already had at least 30 Oakland police officers, a Chief of Police, involved and enabling her trafficking.  Blocking her from help while also taking good honest sincere people who want to help these victims off on wild goose chases.  But she also has family in Nicaragua  and her mother works as a 911 operator.   If you want to remove Celeste - you also have to get her family away from these people.  Which in Celeste's case would mean her mother quitting her job and going somewhere else where she can't be found by people with badges.  Which is where exactly?

Well the answer to that is not only very hard to explain but I'm not going to explain how we do what we do anywhere online and tip off the traffickers to our tactics, people, partnerships, resources, etc.   While not explaining I can explain this - it's not as simple as walking into a massage parlor, a strip club or a street corner and saying "come with me and I'll rescue you from this".

Because if you don't address what it is that traffickers are using to put those invisible chains on their victims to hold them there in the first place - then they're going to do what?  You got it - go right back.  Which is why people working in corrections, social services, the courts, the police, etc., all say is frustrating them about this community - they "always go back".  

Let's take the hypothetical route here - you take one of these women who was in this DEA owned strip club and you roll out the red carpet of resources to them to help them stay in this country, find work, and even offer them personally protection from retaliation - but you don't address the fact they have family back in Columbia who is probably going to be murdered if that victim doesn't get her ass back up on that stage working again - and what is she going to do?  Go work as McDonald's knowing that job means her whole family is going to be massacred?  I don't think so.  She's going to go back and try and keep everyone happy and alive.  Leaving a bunch of frustrated cops and social workers saying "I don't know why she wouldn't get help".  Which is what I'm saying here - the "help" being offered her isn't being designed to be what she needs.

Why?  Because the very people who need to be designing these programs, people like us who understand what real adult victims of sex trafficking needs in order to be able to break free - are being kept out of the designing of said programs and even the training of staff working with said victims.  Including the very Office of Victim Services who thought putting Celeste Guap on a plane to Florida was "help" when in reality it was assisting the traffickers in silencing her.  

You also have to address how it is that traffickers can come and get their victims back if they don't come back voluntarily.  Even how they're taken over even the training in this field to further mislead people away from who they are, how they operate, and also to facilitate their trafficking work.  

I mean look at Joohoon David Lee.  There was a huge campaign that hit Las Vegas where a bunch of people were put together to devise a system to train airport workers how to spot victims.  Three guesses as to who was not invited to be on that group?

You got it - we were shut out of that group.  Now when this whole training was created to teach airport workers how to spot sex trafficking - do you think there was one word in that training on what to do if you suspected a business colleague?  Let me explain - Joohoon David Lee was with Homeland Security, Immigration and the trafficking task forces of CA, NV and AZ.  

Now using his position, his badge, and the government's money Lee would fly over to China to pick up a victim.  Then using his badge he would take this victim right past the very system he had a hand in creating - a training which did not alert anyone at LAX what to do if they suspected someone like him was trafficking victims right past them.  

Which is what he did - he walked victims right past those stop points and checks into this country illegally.  If he was caught - well "he was just questioning a victim" because of his trafficking work.

I've spoken to one of the men who was involved in creating that bogus training.  He tells me he was brought over from Norway!  So a guy from Norway is flown into the USA to work on a training module for LAX workers of American victims on American soil?   

Couldn't be they were deliberately getting well meaning sincere people who wanted to really help victims and stuck them on a bogus committee so the wrong training could be provided which covers their ass and shuts down their competitors' right?

Since Joohoon was arrested, and since men like Rob have realized they were being duped into creating security for American airports that actually ASSISTED traffickers like Joohoon - they've been trying to get people coordinated back again to try and create relevant updated training which would.  

Why is it so hard?  Because what Joohoon did wasn't technically illegal - he could not be charged with sex trafficking because according to Daniel Bogden - there ARE NO LAWS against what he did to his victims.  He not only flew victims over to the states on the government's Homeland Security dime, then used his ICE  connections to get them into this country without proper papers, but he further made it appear he was "fighting sex trafficking" while going after a completely innocent "scape goat" family!

In fact, if Joohoon has a pension - he'll get to keep it after what he did.  As it is now he's driving a limo for CLS Limo owned by Charles Horky who has been convicted now of sex trafficking.  Boy we really come down hard on someone using our government's resources and offices to facilitate sex trafficking don't we?  

If he can't be charged with sex trafficking because he did the trafficking using government money on the government dime and therefore hes immune from being prosecuted about this - he then keeps his pension.  I want you to imagine you're a Chinese woman being taken into this country illegally by a man like Joohoon - and you can see why they might want to break down the one line of communications that does exist in the sex industry that would actually give one of these victims a useful phone number to call that would actually help them (and not just give an illusion to outsiders that help is actually available with these bogus groups - I mean how is social services or an Asian group going to help a Columbian stripper who is here in this country illegally with her whole family back home being threatened if she steps out of line?"

You can see we're not able to get out our phone number to victims using the National Trafficking Hotline nor the Human Trafficking Task Force in NJ - so how do we reach victims who need our help?  
If you made a list of every blog or site that those in the sex industry used to keep in communication with each like a "trade journal" you'd find they've all been shut down because of allegations of sex trafficking.  Backpage for one.  The Erotic Review.  Redbook, Rentboy, and the list goes on.  In other words, I propose Backpage is being attacked BECAUSE they're assisting Lois with finding juvenile sex trafficking victims, and BECAUSE I can put up an ad for Sex Workers Anonymous on their site and actually reach the eyes of adults who need our help also.  

Meaning I say the shutting down and attacks upon Backpage are NOT about "fighting sex trafficking" but in fact are tools of the traffickers being used to further entrap their victims.  Communication is one of the tools all predators use to disempower their victims.  I was kept isolated as a kid by my dad who didn't want anyone to find out what he was up to me with when we were alone.  You look at how the plantation owners were able to maintain control while being grossly outnumbered when it came to manpower.   They stopped the slaves from READING.  This is why many slaves resorted to singing - it was a way to communicate right under the slave owner's nose.

Hiring people who you think are so stupid they won't figure out what you're really up to was something even Kathryn Bolkovac has spoken about in her book/movie on the issue of sex trafficking the "Whistle Blower".

The company who hired her out of Nebraska of all places was Dynocorp.  They took her to a job overseas where all the people they hired would have a blind eye to the sex trafficking that was going on.  In her case, it backfired and she came home and wrote her book which became the movie "Whistle Blower".  

I bring up Dynocorp because I've seen many of their tactics which includes that of an "influencer".  I had a woman once appear out of nowhere.  Didn't know her from Adam.  She starts attacking me like a full-time job.  She was literally coming after me for 8 hours a day five days a week.  One of our SWA members dug into her online profile a bit and came back showing me a private message conversation between her and Dynocorp where they were sharing information with her about me which she could used for the next attack the next week  Dynocorp of course wanting me to jump out of the arena because if a victim knows they can call us for help - they can get out.  That's also why they keep shoving out into the public eye all these phony groups like Melissa Woodward!

If you want to know what an alcoholic is and how to get sober - you talk to Bill Wilson.  You want to know what adult sex trafficking is?  Talk to Jody Williams - founder of Prostitutes Anonymous now known as Sex Workers Anonymous 30 years and 500,000 plus one calls older.  If someone is telling you they're "helping sex trafficking victims" I don't care if they have 1000 friends.  There's something wrong with what's going on if you look around and don't see us or Children of the Night involved.  
Magicians do their magic using diversion, distraction, misdirecting - anything to get your eyes to go where they want your eye to go which is AWAY from what they're doing!  

So those attacking Backpage saying it's to "help fight child sex trafficking" Lois Lee is saying here it's not true.  So then why do it?  That's why - they're trying to shut down Backpage because it's like a trade journal for the sex industry and how it communicates with each other.  An industry who you can get on the phone with them and find a victim in two hours or less generally.

Hitler used the same tactics to gain control over the press by the way.  He used to say he was "fighting pornographers" when in reality it was him gaining control over the media machine because he knew if you controlled the media you controlled the minds.  This is why "free speech" is so important to the issue of sex trafficking.  No it's not okay to "give away" some of our free speech rights "in the interest of fighting child pornography".  Because Lois is right here saying that Backpage was one of her most effective tools in FINDING victims!

Any industry who claims to care about the alcoholic while shunning Bill, refusing to have AA involved, and actively bashing Bill Wilson to shreds is giving you some red flags it's not the alcoholic they're trying to help.  

Monday, August 1, 2016


To Whom It May Concern:

This woman faked having brain cancer.

Stephen Glass was a well-respected writer for the "New Republic" who was faking stories.

The best selling book about drug addiction "A Million Little Pieces" whose author was even on Oprah, was exposed also as a fraud.

Samoly Mam, a well celebrated award winning "sex trafficking survivor" turned out to also be a complete fraud.  In fact, she conned people out of millions of dollars in fact.

Just last year, the show "8 Minutes" on A&E was taken off the air because it was learned the whole so called "reality show" had in fact been staged, and faked.  The so called "rescue" they were offering didn't even exist in reality.   Meaning their so called "success stories" such as Lexie Smith were frauds also.  Yet Lexie Smith has spoken at Obama's home church in Florida thanks to Shared Hope about being a so called "survivor".

Fox has even won a lawsuit giving them the right to lie to the public - even to fire reporters for refusing to report things they know to be lies.  You can read more about this with the Fox vs. Snopes lawsuit.

I remind you of this before talking about the press release Point Loma had sent out saying they were "the first" to offer a scholarship in 2014 to sex trafficking victims.   They aren't.

Not only are they not the first person to offer a scholarship to sex trafficking victim, they're not the first to claim they're "the first".  Take a look at when Sabre for example also made that claim -  Also made in 2014.

The actual FIRST person I heard offering scholarships to sex trafficking victims of juveniles was Children of the Night.  Not only have they been putting their kids through college for decades now - I've actually attended some of those kids' graduation ceremony.  I've been invited because I've been referring any juvenile who calls our hotline since 1979 to Children of the Night for help because we work with adults.

Our program doesn't offer scholarships to adults anymore than Alcoholics Anonymous offers them to their members.  Our program however does teach it's members how to find their own way to get what they want.  So we have helped them through our mentoring to find scholarships available to them as women, the disabled, the LGBT community, people of color, abuse survivors, recovering addicts, or based on their good grades.  Meaning we take them to the directories of scholarships that are currently available and show them how to search out the ones they qualify for.  Then we work with them on the applications until they get the scholarships they are seeking.

ALL WITHOUT identifying this person for life as a "sex trafficking survivor".  Which in plain common English ALSO MEANS "having been a prostitute".

Does it work?  This is an interview with a member of ours who now has a master's degree.  She hasn't however told her associate's she used to be a trafficking victim.  She talks on this interview about how her mother is the one who "turned her out" in fact.

Do you know WHY she hasn't been so "up front" about her background?

Check out this professor who plagiarized a student -yet got tenure.,d.eWE

On the other side,  The same university who gave this member her degree, also refused this woman tenure, as well as treated her like this.  They also last year turned down for tenure a professor there who tried to start a study into how many women are trafficked exactly across the border.  In fact, no professor has received tenure working with trafficking victims since Dominique Roe Sepowitz has been at this university.  NOR has one single survivor of sex trafficking been picked to work on one single research project to do with sex trafficking in the whole state either.  Doesn't exactly send signals to women like our member here that coming forward with one's past is exactly going to help them step up the ladder for THEMSELVES.

In fact, we've had a lot of women get their degrees in colleges who were "up front" about being "survivors" only to then find themselves denied jobs and tenure.  The woman in the interview by the way is now on welfare because she can't even get a job despite having a master's degree, and being clean and out of the sex industry since 1992!

THIS is why she's declined to state her name for the interview.  She's trying to find a job after I referred her to another woman who lived in her town to get a bottle of shampoo and food.  Oh I take that back - THAT survivor is doing quite well for herself now as a stated "survivor".  The only thing is she's got a job now where she's making money for people like Point Loma, Beauty for Ashes, and Sabre are doing - by raising money to help trafficking survivors!  SHE gets work while other survivors around her are on welfare and can't

There are many scholarships for which our members have qualified over the years they've been able to apply for without slapping a label on themselves for life as a "sex trafficking survivor".  We view our members' past in the sex industry as just that - in the past.  Not something that you put a label on yourself as a victim in order to get your college paid for.

There's a reason why we do this.  Before I go too much further, let me ask you this . . can you name me a senator or congress person who is a sex trafficking survivor?  How about the CEO of a Fortune 500 company?  Steve Sassa, the once CEO of Hearst Media, was fired for texting a prostitute.  But let me ask you this - can you name me ONE CEO of ANY company with revenues in the millions who is a publicly identified sex trafficking survivor?

In fact, let me ask you to name me one person who is a "known" survivor who has been placed into any position of power and prestige in this country please.  Speaking as a person who has been a public survivor for over 30 years now - not everyone is so gracious about one's past as you'd think.  I invite you to check out some of these national talk shows I appeared on in order to promote our hotline for others to call for help.  I was the first person to not only speak about sex trafficking on these national shows, but also to offer our hotline for victims to call for help as adults.

If you think this "isn't an issue" then let me ask you this question - has Obama been photographed with ONE SEX TRAFFICKING SURVIVOR?  Yes, he's been photographed with a HUMAN trafficking survivor before.  I've seen him photographed with someone forced to be a maid, forced to be a farm worker, etc.  But I have not seen one single solitary photo of ANY president with someone who was "sex trafficked" as a prostitute.

I have however seen a whole big scandal about Clinton simply being photographed with two current prostitutes who work with Dennis Hof.  These two women are quite celebrated in fact.  But as prostitutes.  They're not OUT.

After each of these shows aired - I came home to find myself evicted and fired.  After the first Sally show I did, I not only was fired and evicted - but I came home to find "whore" spray painted on my front door by my landlord's son.  Then I went down to the garage to find my tires had been slashed.  I assure you that the people at the TV studio called me a "hero" but when I went back to the "real world" people are very clear they don't want you working or living near them when you have a past in sex work.

I am not unique.  On the Donahue show, you'll see I came on with a man and a woman who were members of our program to speak about how we had helped them to escape the streets.  Both of them were fired after this show.  The blond woman's husband attacked her when the show aired and they are now divorced.

The man had an informant set him up on a drug sales charge that he was later acquitted of when the snitch admitted he'd framed the guy.  The attorney who defended him was later disbarred also.  Seems they don't take well to men of color claiming they were set up by the government on phony drug charges and then other men of color speaking up for them.   They've both also been audited by the IRS.  My ex-husband, who is also a "known" ex-prostitute and recovering addict, works as a drug counselor now and also volunteers at a public radio station.  A public radio station who has also been audited by the IRS and the Attorney General's office.

I would like to remind you that Linda Lovelace did extensive speaking out against the porn industry in her work with the Meese Commission.  She was the first woman to come forward and confess about being trafficked on the adult film set of "Deep Throat".  The woman even pointed to the bruises on her legs in both the pool and bathtub scene as proof she'd been forced at gunpoint to make the film by her pimp/husband who later went on to found the Gun Store in Las Vegas after "managing" two other of his wives in porn.

After doing extensive campaigning against the porn industry, her health began to suffer.  Her pimp had kicked her often in her organs with his cowboy boots and forced her to do drugs.  So when she needed an organ transplant and didn't have health insurance because she didn't have a job BECAUSE of her extensive campaigning against porn - she turned to people like Gloria Steinhem, Edwin Meese, and those who she'd been working with on this anti-porn campaign for help with her medical bills.  All she needed was $10,000 back then for the transplant.

Everyone refused to help her.  She was forced to make an adult film to pay for her transplant in the end.

I myself have been fired so many times because of my TV appearances, as well as denied work because of who I am now the internet can pull up my name in two seconds, that I had to start working freelance jobs 26 years ago BECAUSE no one would hire me.  As a matter of act, I even applied to work at the Children of the Night hotline where they know I"m a survivor also.  I was refused the job.

So if you think I'm over-stating how people are not exactly the nicest of people to you once they find out you're a survivor of sex trafficking - then I"m going to ask you two questions to think about in all seriousness.

1.  How was Linda Lovelace treated by society after she came forward as a survivor MONETARILY or career wise?  She had to resort to doing a porn film to pay for her transplant because NO ONE WOULD HIRE HER.  No one donated money to HER foundation to help save others from pornography.  They coughed up a lot of checks to people like Gloria, Edwin Meese, and others who were NON-SURVIVORS - but as for LINDA - how was SHE treated?  Did she even so much as get a big funeral when she died?  Young I'd like to add because after she had to go back into porn she also wound up drinking and using again.

Just a side note, Marilyn Chambers also died fairly young with drugs in her system also.  She had also tried to learn porn when she got clean - but no one would hire her for anything.

2.  How am I treated?  I'm a survivor.  I've been obviously going on TV and speaking out as a survivor, and trying to help others for going on 30 years now.  HOW AM I TREATED?  Is anyone offering me jobs?  Anyone offering me a big check to set up a foundation or even the work we are doing now?  Anyone putting me on TV?  Anyone returning my phone calls for that matter?  I'm not even invited to be a part of this "Center for Justice" at Point Loma.  The last dealings I had with Beauty for Ashes, their founder was running around telling everyone who'd listen to her I was some kind of "con artist".  Why?  I have no clue.  She just up and blocked me from her group when she found out I was there and then started telling people who asked why it was because I "was a con artist".  I've got independent research done into my work that's very positive that was published in reports such as "Leaving Prostitution" and a book by John Quinones.  I've got testimonials in their own words up at sites like    So I have no clue why she'd say those things.  Nor why Beth Jacobs tells anyone who will listen that I'm a "pimp" either for that matter.

But my point being - I'm a public survivor and how am I treated by others in general?

Have any of you as a matter of fact even invited me to one of your events - let alone offered me any type of job or show of support for the now 500,000 calls our hotline has now taken over 30 years?

I would like to add that those who don't know I'm a "survivor" treat me just fine by the way.

This isn't just about me or even Linda for that matter.

I've gone to many of the survivors who have done press talking about their past as a survivor.  They each have told me stories of being fired, evicted, losing friends, being shut out of potential jobs, and even not being able to find a date when they're single.  This week I spoke to a woman who told me for two years now she's been unable to find work because of the news clips online related to her not only being a survivor, but also talking about how she was the first person to set up an outreach connected to our program in Canada.  She had set up not only the first SWA meeting in 1991 in Canada - but also the first street outreach, drop-in crisis center, etc.   Now in 2016 she's lost an engagement, can't find a job, and just learned her nephew committed suicide.  She has family who still have a strained relationship with her because of her past as a sex trafficking victim.

I didn't have a choice but to go on those national TV shows talking about my past to promote our hotline.  The very idea and concept of "sex trafficking" didn't even exist back in 1987.  The only way TO get word out to help others, and to build the foundation leading to federal recognition when the Trafficking Act of 2000 passed WAS for me to go onto national media to tell my story.  The internet didn't even exist back in 1987 - meaning national TV was the only route to go to get this movement started, and to let victims know where to reach help.

But you know what?  Today people know sex trafficking IS REAL.  Laws DO EXIST now.  There's more than one hotline today both adults and juveniles can call for help.  We have safe houses now.  Police are now trained this is very real.  So the need to "raise awareness" is over.  I can call a housewife in Nebraska and she'll tell me she knows sex trafficking is "real".  I say that because I called a random housewife in Nebraska and she told me she is aware it's real - so the "awareness" has been "raised".

When I started all of this, I had people all over me claiming I was lying also.  Just as I'd seen them do with Linda when she tried to tell the public it was real.  To make sure I'd be believed - I not only was very public about my arrest record to prove I was a real victim, but I further denied all movie and book offers.  Had I accepted them - then the public would have said "she's just doing this for the money".  In fact, at one point in 1991, I went onto the Joan Rivers show with a million dollars in contracts being offered me to tell my trafficking story and I tore up those contracts on her show.  When Joan asked me why I'd do that - I told her that if I did accept the money then "no one would believe me".  Without "believing me" we wouldn't have the laws in place now giving this issue federal recognition in the first place.

Right now there's a lawsuit in the Illinois federal court, Backpage vs. Tom Dart, alleging that sex trafficking "isn't even real".  That "the whole thing is fake" in fact.

Now because the media, and people, lie, when I hear about something that might be useful to our members, or anyone coming out of sex work for any reason for that matter, I would love to be able to recommend that to callers to our hotline.  But before I recommend anything to anyone - I check it out for myself.

For example, when Kevin Brown's assistant called me saying he was "operating a rescue" and was asking me to refer women needing help to them I asked to see this "rescue" for myself with my own eyes.  I never heard from him again until I got a call in May of 2016 from a woman telling me she'd been paid $200 to "pretend to be a victim" with her husband being paid another $200 to "pretend to be her trafficker" on the show "8 Minutes".

Now imagine how bad it would have been if I'd referred anyone to that operation without insisting upon checking it out first with my own eyes?

So when I heard Point Loma had a scholarship offering right in San Diego - I called them up about it.  I asked for information on it for our members.  In fact, I'm short about two classes myself from getting my degree and I need financial assistance, so I even told the woman I spoke to at Point Loma I'd like to find out about the scholarship more for myself even as well as on behalf of the members of Sex Workers Anonymous.

To put into perspective the number of people who call our hotline - we average five times MORE calls than Polaris.  Their hotline is for "sex trafficking victims".  Our hotline is for ANYONE who wants to quit for ANY reason - trafficked or not trafficked.  Meaning we also get calls from those who don't have pimps and who aren't trafficked.  We've even relocated our headquarters to Los Angeles.  We have a chapter in San Diego ever since Sharon started one (the blond on the Donahue show on the link above).

Point Loma's response?


I never got a returned call.

I never got information sent to us about their program.

In fact, they never got back to me at all.  Not on behalf of our program wanting information for our members or callers to our hotline NOR for myself personally.  I'm a documented sex trafficking victim and I've got over 60 college units and I'd like to finish getting my degree.  The ONLY thing in my way is money.

So why not me?

Yet this week I read an article about a recipient of this grant at Point Loma.

Now am I saying she's "fake" or they're "lying" about offering a scholarship?  No I'm not.

I don't know what to think because no one from there has returned our calls.  Not for me to apply for the scholarship.  Not for me to let those calling our hotline know more about it.

So I don't know what to think about that.

Meaning this letter is an official written request for Point Loma to let me know more about this situation.

This blog goes out to about 190,000 men and women who are all at some stage of coming out of the sex industry.  I would love to hear their answer about why this woman is graduating off their scholarship - but when I called to start the process going so that I could not only apply for this scholarship, but so that others could also, we couldn't even get the courtesy of a response.

I have recordings of the calls, and copies of the emails, if anyone would like to document that I did in fact ask them about this more when they announced they were offering scholarships to survivors.

So Point Loma - what's up?

Further, to the reporter on this article I'd like to know if they saw grade transcripts on this person and met them to see if the information behind this story is in fact true.

I'd also like to further ask Point Loma why they felt it necessary to publish the photograph of this survivor, along with her name, online?  When our experience over 30 years now has shown consistently that the majority of those who are public about their status as a survivor have reported that it inhibits their ability to find work, to obtain decent housing, and to even have positive personal relationships - I'd like to know why they felt it important to "out" this woman in this way online that will now follow her for life as she tries and use that degree to advance her life.

So Point Loma - can you tell me why you would use her name and image in that manner to promote your school knowing it may harm her for YEARS on down the road as it has many survivors I'm speaking to, including myself, who report this is more the norm than the exception?

You can reach me at (702) 488-1127 or   Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Jody Williams

PS - I'm not reprinting the article here with that survivor's photo and name for obvious reasons.  But I did see it yesterday on Facebook.

Friday, July 31, 2015


First of all, if a child is truly in any danger that you're aware of - yes immediately call the police.  In 99.99 percent of the cases that is the absolute right thing to do.  However, please just keep this in mind for the other 0.000001 percent of the time.

My daughter had been sexually assaulted by a man who broke into our home.  This man was involved with sex trafficking, very bad criminals, and in his case this ring was also involved with the police.  Immediately after this assault - after taking her to hospital - we of course went through all the proper sources.  Now we were very fortunate to have a counselor in her case I was able to reason with.  I explained to this man that we had relocated immediately and this man did not live with us.  That there was not only no way he could find us - but that he would not have an easy time finding us even with his "cop" friends.  That I didn't want to undo all that work by him making a report to social services.  Because I already knew this man's power, what he could do, and what would happen.

To show you the extent of the power he had - he had a woman working for him that did blood work at Quest Diagnostics.  He had herpes that I knew about.  After my daughter's assault we had her tested.  I had told him if she came back positive - that we'd have all the evidence we needed to prosecute him.  He laughed.  I knew what that meant so I contacted Quest.  I learned that Quest Diagnostics was the ONLY lab in all of Nevada.  I then asked if someone who took blood had the ability to access files to change results.  They admitted reluctantly "yes".  Now in my case I was fortunate enough that I had obtained this man's phone records. From those phone records, I was able to find out who he knew at this lab.  By knowing her name, I was able to get her ability to access files to change a positive result to a negative.

However, I was concerned that she'd be able to get a friend to be able to make the change should my daughter's lab results come back incorrect.  Now they told me they changed their computer system to where those who drew blood were not able to access that part of the computer that had the results to where she could change results.  I don't know if they pulled my leg because they honestly were talking to me "off the record".

To be on the safe side - all i could do was find a lab that would do her test results other than Quest.  But that wasn't covered by insurance so I had to pay for it.  Thankfully it came back negative.  However, this man did have the ability to have had those results changed and would have done so had I not been more street smart about what that laugh meant and getting his phone records.  That said - don't tell me there aren't other traffickers that can go in and alter lab results to suit their needs.  So what I'm telling you here is that if you're dealing with that powerful of an operation - then use an outside lab where you can get testing done using an anonymous name they can't mess with the results.  There are labs where you can mail the samples in for testing and pay for it out of pocket.

But this man clearly had a lot of friends in high places.  He had already messed with the brakes on my car.  Knowing we were going to the police - he had gone into the parking lot and adjusted my brakes so they'd fail once they got hot.  I was fortunate to have a crappy car that broke down before that could happen.  The mobile mechanic came out to fix one problem and then pulled me over to say "I don't know how to say this lady - but your brakes have been set up to fail".  He then showed me what had been done.  There's normally something that will make a noise when you have metal nearing the brakes.  That had been bent back so it wouldn't warn me there was a problem.  Brakes get hot after a few minutes of driving in Vegas heat - and mine had been set to fail.  So I would have gotten about 15 minutes from home he said and then sailed through an intersection.  He didn't charge me for this as he felt pretty sorry anyone would do that to me so i don't think the mechanic lied to me about that to get more money out of me.

So I'm dealing with someone who had friends at the lab.  Knew how to rig my car.  Plus he had friends with the cops, sheriff's, marshall's, etc.  There was something very weird about the assault that bothered me.  I couldn't help but feel he wanted us to make a report.  Then CPS would of course come to investigate and well all the horror stories I hear - who knows what they might do.  They have the power to take your child anywhere they want and I'd heard a lot of stories about what happens to kids in the Nevada system for kids.  So I didn't want to risk it.

But it was up to my daughter.  I asked her if she wanted to file a police report.  She felt it was what he wanted.  She felt it was too dangerous to provoke him further.  She just wanted us to move as we had, let her focus on her recovery, and to not worry about him coming after us because we'd filed charges against him.  Right or wrong I felt it was her decision and that's what she wanted to do.  But it ultimately also was up to the counselor.  We asked him if he would not make a report about the assault.  We showed him proof she was safe now and therefore reason to believe it would not happen again.  We also showed him enough evidence to show that prosecuting a man like this would put her in more danger.  He agreed to keep the secret.

Now we don't know how they found out - but he was charged with not making that report and he lost his license for a year.  But he didn't hold that against my daughter.  He said it was "his decision".  After he got his licensed renewed she went back into counseling with him and he was a man who proved to my daughter not all men were bastards.  For that I'm grateful.  Especially after what I went through with my daughter as it was without that report.

Here's what I'm trying to say.  In some very rare cases - it might be better NOT to bring in the authorities automatically.  It depends on the situation, the authorities, the person, everything.  That's a decision that's up to you to weigh.  But in some cases I've seen the system worse than the problem.  I look to my own abuse as a child.  Yeah it was bad.  But when I hear what kids went through in Los Angeles in the 1960's - I was honestly better off in that home.   I think I was anyway when I hear about what the other kids went through back during that same time in foster care, group homes, etc.  Especially if you knew the rest of my family who they might have had take me!

Life is sometimes a grey area.  Before just calling, if it's not an emergency, check things out.  Remember that horror story of that father who burned his kids alive?   The social worker let the children go into the house ahead of her.  Then the father shut the door - blocking her out - and then set the house on fire.  I kept thinking how bad her training must have been to let those children run ahead of her into the house.  I mean didn't she know to leave them in the car, check out the situation, and then bring them in if it was okay?  Yes I blame the father - but I also blame a social worker who wasn't very well trained nor very street smart.  She supposed to look out for them.   I've seen these workers' case loads.  I don't blame them.  The system gives them an insane amount of cases to manage and no human being could possibly do what they ask them to do for the money.  I know they're doing the best they can and I blame the lack of funding and training for things like that - not the worker personally.

But before you just call 911 and assume that kid is going to be okay  - don't assume.  Follow up.  Ask to see where the child would go.  Ask to meet the therapists, social workers, foster parents.   Make sure you can visit the child and get updates from the CHILD - not the workers telling you that kid is okay.   I've seen kids go walking right out of Child Haven, and I've seen children die in their care also.  I remember when they even lost a kid.   Again, not that they were doing a bad job.  Poor staffing, lack of training, not enough hands on deck, maybe they need better security cameras, and certainly needing better everything.  But until then you had to stay involved.  Children the system knows are being watched, the people ask questions, that people will visit, are going to be treated better.

Let me prove it to you.  The first time my daughter was hospitalized after the assault she was put in Monte Vista psychiatric unit.   The nurses there saw me bring her PJ's, and her dolls, and her snacks, and they saw me at every single visit.  I called every night to speak to her.  I was at every session.  I asked the nurses every shift for an update.  I drove them NUTS making sure she was okay.

About a week into what should have been a 28 day stay I get a call "come get her".  I'm like "why?"  They said "come get her".    Okay I went down there and a very wonderful nurse told me that there was another woman who had just come onto the unit with a history of sexual violence.  This woman had set her sights on my daughter.  The nurse felt it was in my daughter's best interest to get her the heck out of there.  So without the doctor's approval - she took it upon herself to warn me and let me get her out of there.

Years later I met a woman whose grandson was poisoned by Monte Vista.  One nurse gave him his medications, and then the next nurse did also.  And the next and the next.  No one was checking the notes and they overdosed him.   So he was brought in for a suicide attempt and the hospital OD'd him.  Now I'm not saying it was the family's fault.  But somewhere along the way when my daughter was being lined up as a target - the nurse knew that I would have sued the shit out of all of them if she'd been harmed and told me to come get her out of there.  I'm grateful for that.

If you wonder why I don't just "automatically" assume all cops are our friends - check out this report I found for 2009.  Now if a cop according to this report would try and find out someone's IP address because their blog criticized his church - can you imagine what he might do if you were charging his friend with sexual assault of a minor?  This is why we made the decision we did consider her assailant was friends with 1/2 of Metro and the Chief of Police.  By the way, there was no Internal Affairs in Las Vegas at this time because of a lack of budget for the office.   The only person you could complain to the chief about - was the chief.

Make noise.  Ask questions.  Let them know you see them.  Let them know you know their name.  Ask for their names and cards.  Take notes.  That really makes them nervous!    But before you call in the authorities if it's not an emergency - weigh the situation carefully - and get involved.  Make sure that child is safe and don't blindly trust any system.

If you're not sure who to call or what to do - call the hotline 24/7 at  They've been working with this since 1979.  They can advise you the right thing to do when in doubt.

(copyright 2015 J. Williams - All Rights Reserved)

Sunday, November 11, 2012

Children of the Night Radio Interview

TAPS is launching it's radio show on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, at 11:00 a.m. Pacific Standard Time at  by interviewing Dr. Lois Lee - founder of Children of the Night.  They are a comprehensive program for youth who are affected by sex trafficking, prostitution and who are teen runaways.   You can find Children of the Night at 

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