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Sunday, July 5, 2015

SHAWNEE LOVE

 

I warned Shawnee that if she didn't take these lies down - that I would create this post.  She did - but then reposted it a few days later when she thought I wasn't looking.  I keep my word - so here's what happened.

I run the hotline as you know and have since 1987.  When I hear about new people - I invite them to come speak at our phone meeting, or to be on our radio show at www.blogtalkradio.com/stopsextrafficktalk  To date, the only people who have refused to be on this show, or speak at a phone meeting, have turned out to be either completely fake "survivors" or up to some kind of con artistry as well.  Clearly they refuse because they know you can't "bullshit a bullshitter" and we'd see straight through them if they did.  Well, I invited Shawnee and she refused - so she went onto my radar as possibly having an issue about credibility then.

I didn't think anything about it until I saw her running for an award in Ohio where she claimed to be "the founder of the movement".  However, she says she came on the scene in 2007.  Now if you check my news clippings at www.hightechmadam.com you'll see that I was the FOUNDER of the movement with my news clipping going back to 1987.  I was not just a survivor speaking out then, but I was calling out for our legal system to recognize us.  I was also the creator of the first hotline for adults, the first alternative sentencing program, and the first "trafficking outreach" through then Mayor Bradley at an HIV test site where those who were found HIV positive who had pimps were given a chance to leave through a back door to freedom where they would get housing, medical, counseling, and all the services they needed including an educational program we had worked out a deal with DeVry Institute back then.    So that was a lie.  I however only said something to Shawnee privately at that when I saw it - suggesting she stick to the truth or she was going to harm the credibility of the movement.  I don't want to see us go the way of the "satanic panic".

I had been leaving the woman entirely alone - until I got an email from a family member who was very distressed by Shawnee's behavior as spoken about here.  http://ancestorstealing.blogspot.com/2014/10/she-calls-herself-shawnee-love.html  She came to me asking if it was possible that any of this were true.  I explained to her that when I've had people smear me I have no problem at all threatening them to file a defamation lawsuit against them because I know they're lying.  I told Shawnee on this blog if she felt these people were lying about her - then why wasn't she suing them?  I then told her, on this site, that she was clearly upsetting this family, and maybe she should give them an apology, and leave them alone.  I'm especially insulted because I am American Indian.  My last name, Williams, is what they renamed Cherokee Indians, out of Oklahoma - look it up.

Well that must have made her feel pretty threatened because she then went onto her facebook page and posted that I was a "pimp" to chime in with Beth Jacobs evidently.  Which as you can see by the screen shot a friend sent me - that's exactly what happened.  Beth and a Laurie who I have no idea who that is - chimed in that I was a "trafficker" also. 

Again, since I never did that, I have never been arrested for that, I have never been charged for that, nor do I have a conviction for that, and I've posted copies of my bank statements to show I'm a woman living on disability - I'm highly offended as a survivor to be accused of such a thing.  HOW DARE THESE WOMEN TALK ABOUT "HOLDING BACK SURVIVORS" WHILE THEY ACCUSE ME, A REAL SURVIVOR, OF BEING A PIMP?!

I served Shawnee with a "notice of intent to file for defamation" to which she took down the lie.  Well then I get the screen shot that shows she just waited a few days and reposted it.  What's the matter Shawnee - so worried I'm going to say something you decide to cover your back first with this off the wall accusation?

How can you say I'm "holding back the rescue" of anyone?  According to your own words - you claim you have been re-kidnapped by your traffickers over five times since I've known you.  You can see by my post that I actually offered to help you stop that from happening.  An offer you refused to accept I'd like to add.  Not for yourself - but so that you could protect others.  Because if you're being kidnapped this many times - how on earth can you protect anyone you're rescuing - if in fact you are?

I've got testimonies of people I've rescued at www.hightechmadam.com and www.blogtalkradio.com/stopsextrafficktalk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33weIPOhqVU I've had investigative reporters come and check me out and write wonderful things about my work who have spoken to people I've rescued.  I have an audio tape up from a man talking about a rescue operation I've been working on for two years now involving women from Asian massage parlor trafficking where I've now had attempts made on my life over this project - http://sanitytodayonline.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-sound-of-music-and-pasadena.html

So please Shawnee - please let me hear from one of your success stories?  I have members under deep cover that I've still been able to get audio interviews from to talk about how we helped them so that people can know about our work and that they can trust us.  So where are yours Shawnee?

How DARE you call another survivor a "trafficker"?  Especially behind my back, and especially knowing that I'm running the oldest and largest program of survivors IN THIS COUNTRY! 

Now I warned you if you did that nonsense again I'd take legal action.  I'll be preparing that and serving it upon you shortly.  Clearly you just don't know when to stop harming people with that mouth of yours. 

http://www.mediafire.com/view/ndpl7dnq8yoig2d/complaintletter.pdf

DOMINA ELLE

In July of 2015 - the  phone I use for both my personal cell, and hotline, (because I can't afford two separate cell phones), started blowing up from phone number (412) 423-5951 sending me text messages starting about 12:30 a.m.  I have to figure out a way to scan them and will be posting them shortly.  Area code 412 is in Pennsylvania.  The text messages were taunting me to "go check out www.sexworkersanonymous.org".  The registration for the site has the same information as sites registered by Domina Elle for sites like www.dominaelle.com and others. 

The person of course was taunting me thinking I didn't know who was behind the calls.   I went to Intelius and ordered a phone report on this number.  For some reason, the site would not allow me to order a report on that number.

So I ordered a report on the number that Domina uses on her site and advertising.  It came back-  http://www.mediafire.com/view/71kkl0cllh460wk/dominareport.pdf  Apple Cheek Productions is registered in Pennsylvania and shows the connection with Domina.  Pennsyvania again is a 412 area code.  Interesting connection is that Domina runs "Red Cheek Productions" in Denver - so clearly Sally and Domina are friends with the "tongue in cheek" reference to the "cheeks" between the two companies - both of which are film companies.  https://www.linkedin.com/pub/domina-elle/27/a74/891

You can see by her ad she's also using the phone number of http://denver.backpage.com/Domination/ready-for-the-next-level-720-329-6341-domina-elle-is-colorados-fetish-expert/5828960  (720) 329-6341.  That's the one I was able to get a report on. 

You'll also see her advertising on "escorts" here using the same number and photo.  http://www.showescorts.com/profile/720-329-6341/

Leslie is the British name for the woman who married Renos Avraam and then changed her name to Sheninah Avraam.  Leslie died in 2007.  http://www.tributes.com/obituary/show/Leslie-Gordon-Eddy-80731217   Here's about the name change.  http://www.oocities.org/wacocult/2002/waco2002.html

However, she was not born in 1966 but the voter registration shows that as her birth year with the phone number she's operating under.  http://coloradovoters.info/by_number/6000/67888_shekinah_koresh_avraam.html  The reason why this voter registration has a different date is because the woman calling herself "Domina Elle" is not her real name.  This is how one goes about getting phony ID.

She's evidently stalked other people in her industry, and almost strangled a client according to these sites:

http://www.bardotsmith.com/blog/2014/7/20/plagiarism-stalking-and-psychotic-obsession  (postscript - after I posted this link it's been taken down.  The woman who owns the site won't answer me about why it was taken down.  I have a screen shot of this page but if she's taken it down it's for a reason.  I'm going to honor that reason by not reposting that site since she wants it down.  I can only assume she was threatened to take it down since it appeared to have been up for about a year - only coming down after I referenced it.)


Then this woman, whoever she is, sent out a massive email to people claiming she had not been sending me these "text bombs" days on end at all hours of the night and day and claiming that either I was "imagining this" or someone had "spoofed" her.  I explained that if I needed to go to the length of proving she did this - then I would have to subpoena her phone records to prove the calls came from her.  All of her phone records, which would then make them public record as part of the complaint.  Records which might include her clients.  Her response?  "Go ahead."  Proof of how much she cares about the privacy of people who call her line is attached here:



Now if I were to say something about pulling phone records out from any other sex worker in the world, legal or not, they would freak out.  She however seem pretty confident it's not a problem.  I've only encountered that kind of attitude before in specific types of situations.  Like that of Elizabeth Adams for example - the Beverly Hills Madam.  Elizabeth was an informant for the FBI who not only got me arrested twice by throwing me under the bus in 1983 - but she was the one responsible for throwing Heidi Fleiss to the wolves also in 1993.  Why? No one believed me she was a "snitch" to use the street terms.  So Alex was kind of cocky when it came to the cops also because she knew she wasn't in any danger of being busted herself (or so she thought because they did turn on her when new people came into office).  

Is this unusual?  Not at all.  Rick "Freeway" Ross was sent off to life in prison because of a snitch who was paid $40,000 a year just to get him set up to go to jail.  http://www.finalcall.com/features/cia-pawn.html   After failing to talk Rick into going back into a life of crime - he had to threaten a friend of his life in order to get him to cross the line.  Yes it was over turned and Rick is a free man again - but those years will never be given back to him.  

Why was he locked up?  Well read his book for one if you want to know but I suspect it was to silence him for what he knew about Iran Contra - the same as they tried to silence me also for years and why Gary Webb's death was probably not a suicide.  I mean TWO shotgun blasts to the head?  Even coroners think that's physically impossible.  http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/141204webbmurdered.htm    Murder too extreme?  Some don't think so.   http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/10/11/ex-cia-agent-says-obama-andrew-breitbart-tom-clancy-assassinated/

Now Domina Elle never spoke to me, bothered me, even looked in my direction until this whole "8 Minutes fiasco.  In March of 2015, I got a phone call from her asking me for information on our program.  She did not identify herself so i just sent her general information.  We did not talk.  She was emailed our general information flyer and that was the extent of it.  Why was she scoping us out in March?

I didn't hear about her until this whole "Kamylla" nonsense started.  A woman called me for help.  We told her we could provide her with everything she needed and I ended the phone call.  She gave me permission to publish the call and discuss her case with anyone we needed to.  But the next day she tells me that Domina Elle had reached out to her, bashed us ten ways to Sunday with lies, and then convinced her to let Domina Elle help her instead in April of 2015.  A fund raiser was set up for her.  Now in July I checked back on this fund raiser and the woman is still without a job, in a flooded house with back rent still due, and still has legal cases over her head.   So it doesn't sound like they did much of a job to help her.   https://www.crowdrise.com/kamyllaneedsyourhelp

What I found interesting was that this Domina Elle was doing the fund raising - not SWOP.  In fact, SWOP wasn't saying anything about it.   When I reached out to them to verify they knew about and who this Kamylla was - I received no answer.  But she kept posting lies about us online.  When I slapped Domina Elle with a notice that I'd serve her with a defamation lawsuit if she did not take down these lies and kept this up - she did remove the lies and stopped HER speaking them.  

But in a matter of minutes - the same exact lies, and even the same cartoons, start coming out of Kamylla's mouth online instead.  I contacted her and asked why she was posting these things.  She told me she wasn't.  She said she had no computer.  No internet access and she didn't say those things and didn't mean them.  She also told me that she'd given Domina Elle permission to post on her behalf for that reason.  

Then she said she would ask Domina Elle to remove these statements in the morning.  That was the last time I was able to speak to her other than a cryptic text I got that led me to believe that Kamylla is also being threatened and she's afraid.  This fear started after she told me she was going to ask Domina Elle to take down the lies she was posting online about us while posing as her.  I think Domina Elle didn't take kindly to the request.  Not a doubt in my mind they've told her she won't get that $5000 if she were to let me help her now is the way this thing is setting up.  

Now Domina Elle she's getting away with this by capitalizing upon the impression she's a chapter leader or chair or whatever they call it for Denver SWOP.  
http://www.westword.com/news/sex-workers-outreach-project-co-founders-on-objections-to-bill-targeting-prostitutes-johns-5865282    This article is a case in point.  Only I contacted the main office of SWOP who says that she "holds no position nor has any power" within their organization.  They said "banned was a strong word" but confirmed she holds no power in SWOP.

Wondering if anyone else has been threatened or harmed by this woman or what exactly is going on - I posted an ad on Backpage asking if anyone had any experiences with her at all, good or bad, to please get in touch with us.  I got a phone call that yes was recorded.  I get threats all the time so I record all incoming calls and delete them once we're done.  In this case I saved it in case she gave consent for me to publish the recording.  She did agree to be interviewed for our radio show but before we published anything online she wanted to get an okay from her partner.  I understood and set about transferring the tape to a format I can post online.  I had not posted it online however when I get a frantic call from the woman who made the call wanting to know how these tapes wound up on www.sexworkersanonymous.org   But here's the tape in it's entirely that somehow got off my hard drive and on this site - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZmmdytBok4 part 1, part 2 - 

I explained to her I'd been fighting all night with both my phone and computer from a hack attack.  My computer found three threats and it took me all night to clean them off and fix my computer and phone.  My phone not only kept going crazy but it kept having the recorder turn on.  Clearly someone was messing around my phones and computers to get access to these tapes.  So I am in the process of working with some attorney's and the police over criminal and civil charges over Domina Elle's actions.  Now Domina Elle seems to have no problem clearly with you hearing what's on the tape for her to post them online - so here those tapes are in their entirety.  The caller is talking about how she has "friends within the police and the Denver courthouse".  I will be doing a court record search for these restraining orders spoken about in the call to see what I can find.   

Clearly this woman is on a witch hunt for my head.  The texts that were blowing up my phone said they would "continue until I took down our site and hotline".  So I'm being blackmailed by this woman to take down our site and hotline.   To dig up dirt on us - she had to go all the way back to a woman I had a personal fall-out with 30 years ago.  That's a pretty far stretch.  

As for Gaye - the other woman on the website supposedly attacking me - she leaves out that for years i defended her against Rachel Moran.  So you should see the things she said to me to warrant my response to her.   I'm not going to post them because clearly Domina Elle is manipulating both Gaye and Norma Jean Almodar for her own agenda to attack us.  Norma had not posted one single bad word about me anywhere online until Domina Elle approached her about this site.  If what I'd done was soooo awful - it would have been posted long before Domina Elle started digging up dirt, reached out to Norma, then built the site, yada yada yada.  The same with Gaye.  Gaye was actually friends with me until Domina Elle started twisting her head around.  

So if neither of these women had posted a bad word about me online until Domina Elle got ahold of them yet both have known me for years before now  - I don't know if they were threatened or bribed or what - but clearly if they didn't do this on their own and all of this is because Domina Elle has an agenda.

A clearly stated agenda.  Now if she thinks I'm a "predator" or crazy or whatever - that has nothing to do with our program.  We have chapters all over the world.  Our Russia chapter has six meetings a week now.  Our Canada chapter is in three different areas now.  We've been donated a Russian, French and Spanish translation of our books I'm working on getting published.  Our program is an established part of the probation system in different states like Michigan for example.  You can't complete your 2nd year of probation without attending our meetings.  I know of no other program right now where a prostitute who is not being trafficked can ask a judge to come to our meetings instead of jail without a special program, without an attorney, and be granted that request so we are clearly the sex worker community's friend.  So why attack all of us now because of her personal issues with me?  

How can she have an issue with me when she came in the gate looking for an attack?    I had no fight with her.  No fall-out with her. She came in with an agenda to attack us and that didn't happen until the show "8 Minutes" and she didn't come after me until I hit Relativity Media with notice I was going to file a lawsuit and get an injunction and they canceled the show.  

So let's take a look back at what's going on with "8 Minutes".  The media right now is emphasizing the producers "lied" to these women and "didn't provide them any help".   Now just use some logic here for a moment - if Kamylla herself admits her and the other women were paid $200 to "act" like they were prostitutes and that they were being offered "help" then the whole thing clearly is a fraud.  There was no "recreation" posted at the bottom of the screen to say this series dramatized something happening in real life.  And please tell me why if these women were knowing the whole thing was staged why would they expect to get any real answers from these people?  That makes no sense.

Let's put it another way.  If I was hired to pretend to be in a bakery.  To pretend I was buying bread from a fake bakery - why on earth would I then go and shout to the media how ripped off I was that I wasn't able to get any bread out of the show?  That makes no sense.   Because it's a cover.    I had a man call me before the show filmed and told me their spiel.  He tried to tell me that Kevin Brown was actually really "rescuing" young girls after having "found God" after he retired from being an Orange County cop for 20 years.

I'm sorry - but a man who was a Nazi for 20 years doesn't turn around and open up a home for young Jewish girls.  Doesn't happen.  So I asked to speak to his "graduates" of this program and I asked to see the program with my own eyes.   He then tried to talk me into giving them referrals.  I repeated that I don't give referrals to a program I haven't seen with my own eyes and asked to see the operation for myself.  

They disappeared because it was bogus.  I went online and learned that Orange County, where Kevin Brown is staged out of, has received $1.2 million dollars for helping "trafficking victims".   http://www.ocregister.com/articles/human-235586-task-trafficking.html   I also saw a few churches holding fund raisers connected to the show while it was on the air - of course with Annie Lobert speaking - queen of the shills for churches to raise money for bogus programs like what happened before with her, Pastor Benny Perez, and her show on Bravo that we got yanked after one episode aired because it was a fraud.  Okay now this is making more sense to me.  We have to show the grant donors we're doing something and Lord knows they aren't doing anything for real victims because that would expose police corruption and higher.  So we have to put on a show.  Got it. http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/07/13/33254/trying-see-young-girls-victims-sex-trafficking-pro/



I've been working on a case for two years now about a woman who was drug out of her home and had phony police reports slapped on her by Pasadena Police.  http://sanitytodayonline.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-sound-of-music-and-pasadena.html   I was threatened by a Pasadena cop supposedly for trying to help her.  I say "supposedly" because he gave me a name that the station says is the name of a cop.  The phone number he used was from the station.  However, he still could have been an imposter. To find out I'd have to talk to the Chief.  Only the Chief was refusing my calls, faxes and emails until I reached out to the city council and city manager.  I talk more about this in my letter to Senator John Kerry (which he hasn't answered by the way yet as of 8/1/15.)  http://www.mediafire.com/view/0cxuj6r3s0ag4ff/senatorkerryletter.pdf

The minute I put the Chief on the spot about working on this case (which was just at the same time this "8 Minute" thing hit) - is when this whole smear campaign against me started with Domina Elle and this phony "stalking" accusation out of Meg from Abeni - the program that's in connection with the Orange County Trafficking Task Force.  She started telling people online that I was "threatening her" and she was "afraid for her life" and that I needed to be carted off on a "5150" charge.  Only if you look back over the conversation she initiated with me - none of these things are true.  

It's about as true as the cop pulling Sandra Bland over and arresting her over a turn signal to pull her into a jail cell.   Now I'm putting the pieces together - she can't get me arrested on these phony charges because she doesn't know where I live and I'm not anywhere near her.  But the minute I go walking into the Pasadena station - that's when I can be carted off on her false accusation.  Sure they can't prove a thing and the law says they'd have to let me go after 72 hour observation - if I lived that long.  

What's the connection between Pasadena and Orange County?  Chief Sanchez lives in Orange County. http://www.ci.pasadena.ca.us/Police/Chief_of_Police/    When Jeane Palfrey was murdered in my opinion - I had called up the Florida police demanding a full investigation.  Then the Tonopah Nevada police where I live get a call from the Florida police the operator at the station tells me - and suddenly I'm being slapped with a warrant for "impersonating myself" and my house is being tossed by five cops and a drug dog.  A cop can't smear me.  Too obvious.  But if the Pasadena police are connected to the Orange County police - then how do we get all the way to Denver?  

D'Lita Miller calls me up.  I'll go into her in another blog entry - but she's a part of this "8 Minutes" show AND this Long Beach Task force that just got $650,000 for "outreach" and another $3 million to set up a program with the youth courts for trafficking.   http://www.aetv.com/8-minutes/cast/dlita-miller  She calls herself a "consultant" yet she admits her own daughter got trafficked in 2011.  

Doesn't sound like she knew much about it before 2011 to me.  Then she says she "couldn't find help".  That's funny as there's Children of the Night, Covenant House, Mercy Ministries, Children of the Night, Mary Magdalene Project, and Dream Center just to name a few - all with trafficking programs for the young within a 20 minute drive from where she's based out of.  Of course not mentioning we're based out of Los Angeles and can be found online in two minutes - as can SWAN - our program for parents.  www.swanfellowship.webs.com   So frankly if she "couldn't find any help" in 2011 when all these programs were easily found in a 30 second search on Google - I don't know if I'd brag I was a "consultant' on the issue myself.  

But my point is that D'Lita Miller connects Kevin Brown, Relativity Media, the Orange County Police, and the Long Beach Police.  How does Domina Elle in Denver fit into this?  She's coming out here in September to speak at the Catalyst Con http://catalystcon.com/  She's also speaking with Maxine Doogan, who is suing four District Attorney's in California.  http://www.mediafire.com/view/3z72r333euvmfg1/Gmail_-_Contact_with_Dee_Dennis_or_Catalyst_Conference_Speakers_Attendees.pdf

Maxine has also talked with Tom Forman and D'lita Miller.   Ms. Miller even told me she reached out to Maxine before she called me so I know they know each other also.  Again, doesn't sound like her priorities are about helping victims if Maxine was on her list to call before my call.  Maxine had in fact tried to get a judge to leave out wording in her 2008 Bill so that voters wouldn't know that she didn't want any "minority trafficking victims to have help funded".  http://archives.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/keep-trafficking-out-of-city/Content?oid=2143391   So she's clearly not on the side of wanting minority trafficking victims to get any help to escape their traffickers - but that's who she calls before us?  Got it.

Now with this information in hand I approached the Catalyst Con organizers.  Now mind you I've been doing this work for about 30 years now.  In my experience, organizers and sponsors don't want to risk any liability with putting on an event where someone who is representing them might be posing a situation where they could be sued for negligence.  So you think they'd be happy to receive the information, and thank me for giving it to them.   

Not at all.  The minute I told them - I had this silly threat coming at me from an attorney threatening me with "economic interference" if I tried to tell anyone else any of this information.  First of all, for this to be "economic interference" I'd have to be a "competitor" to Domina Elle.  I run no dungeon and I've been out of all sex work since 1985.  I'm therefore NOT a "competitor" so their own lawyer was clearly just trying to scare me into silence.

If you're wondering why I'm not taking that site down?  I'm not only running our program - I'm also trying to show the world how this all operates.  I want them to see what happens when you try and go up against these people.  They threaten.  They smear.  They hide behind websites they don't sign.  They text bomb you at 2:00 a.m. from phones they then claim aren't theirs.  They call from blocked numbers.  They lie. They threaten.  They deceive and manipulate people.  Also - we're getting a lot of traffic from people trying to sort this all our so it's actually quite educational for people to see how this is all playing out.  That's why I'm not moving for an emergency TRO - I want you to see how these people operate.  

By the way - anything you say to someone who is an "informant" can be used against you in a court of law.  Whoever this Domina Elle is in reality, she is NOT on the side of sex workers.  She has actively NOT told sex workers they can avoid being incarcerated by asking to come to a SWA meeting.  She's also posted on her Kamylla fund raiser she wants a law passed "requiring shelters to admit prostitutes".  They don't admit them because it's not safe.  They're not secure for when a pimp comes looking for them - that's why they're not accepted.  I mean why would you want them to anyway?  There needs to be special programs set up for trafficking victims to be placed in - NOT HOMELESS SHELTERS.  Any sex worker on our side would know that. 

IF Domina Elle was on the side of the sex worker - then why are her, Norma, Gaye or Maxine not lifting ONE FINGER to help another sister sex worker who when she announced she wanted to leave the industry she ewas then carted off by two cops and falsely arrested?  Why not a word of defense of her case or against the cops and the judge that slapped her with these phony cases and threatened her?  Why not one word about the cop that threatened me when we tried to help her or the attorney that threatened our attorney?  Yes they are SOOOO interested in helping sex workers - they won't lift a finger to bring any attention to her situation and they're trying to smear us who are trying to get her help and these criminals brought to justice!!!


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Saturday, July 4, 2015

BETH JACOBS - WILLOW WAY

Beth Jacobs is a woman living in Arizona.  When we first heard about her - she told us she was the founder of "Willow Way" in Tucson, and that she was providing counseling for women who had been detained through Project Rose through Cactus Counseling Center.  Cactus Counseling was providing counseling through a contract they'd received for this purpose. http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/sex-sting/Content?oid=3668055

I had just moved into this one apartment when I first spoke to Beth - so it had to be about December of 2012 - January of 2013.  I remember because I was still unpacking.  I then did not get a cell phone until March of 2013 - so it probably was about March or April of 2013 that I first spoke to her. 

People had been telling me that Beth had been very hostile towards us and I had no idea why.  I've never spoken to her and since I understood the program she had worked with back east used our "Prostitutes Anonymous" meetings with success I was confused.  So I emailed her to find out what the problem was.

She told me she had called me on the phone "years ago" while I was "shopping at a Walmart".  She says that she asked the woman on the phone she thought was me "why do you use the 12 steps?" and she says the woman on the other end laughed at her in response like it was a stupid question. 

This would mean if she was talking to me - then I was on a cell phone - not a house phone.  However, I had a stroke in July of 2000.  Since August of 2000 until March of 2013 I did not take any incoming calls on the hotline on a cell phone because I COULDN'T AFFORD ONE.   I have only taken SWA calls from the house phone since the stroke - so therefore I could not have been talking to her from a Walmart to be the person she spoke to.  I have had one cell phone provided to me by the state that gave me 200 minutes a month that I kept in my purse to call for Paratransit rides or a cab - but I never ever took calls on that phone because I had to spread those 200 minutes through the month.  When I would leave the house, if I could get someone else to answer the hotline I would, but those people would be at home also. 

Now there was another possibility who she spoke to.  Anne Bissell aka Juliette Chandler had a website up for years calling herself "Sex Industry Survivors Anonymous".  On this website, there was an 800 number, and the 12 steps were there.  She also had our literature on there word for word verbatim taken out of our "Recovery Guide" so much of which without quoting our guide as the source that I had sent her a "cease and desist" letter numerous times before getting her to take the site down.  People were confusing her site with us right and left for a very long time before I could get her to take the site down.  I know it was her site because the site would link to the Silver Braid site, and then sell her book "Memoirs of a Sex Industry Survivor".  So it's extremely possible she called "Sex Industry Survivors Anonymous" instead of "Sex Workers Anonymous" and that's why this woman might have laughed at the question. 

I also had a problem with other people setting up groups calling themselves "Prostitutes Anonymous" online taking donations, and book orders.  I had a porn company once actually hijack our domain of www.prostitutesanonymous.com and I had to threaten legal action to get that taken back, and I once had an escort service set up a facebook and a website using the name "Prostitutes Anonymous".  Right now there's a woman who calls herself "Obsession" selling a book called "Prostitutes Anonymous" on Amazon. 

So I tried explaining to Beth that I am not the person who spoke to her on a cell phone from a Walmart prior to 2013 - and also offer my apologies if she thought I would laugh at her.  I have never ever laughed at a question someone has asked me, and certainly think her question is a valid question.  So valid that's why we have a whole chapter devoted to it in our "Recovery Guide".  So it's a valid question in my mind and not something I'd laugh about.  So even though I did not laugh at her, nor speak to her during that call - I let her know I was sorry her feelings were hurt and she thought it was me. 

I asked her if she would please look up the phone number she called so that I could prove to her it was not me she spoke to that upset her.  She refused and blocked me.  I thought that was the end of it until I got a very distressed phone call from one of our members.  She told me that someone had taken private photos of her and her daughter and posted them on facebook.  Her landlord did not know she used to be a prostitute, nor that the child was from her pimp and she was now being threatened with eviction.  Further, the pimp now knew she was online because he'd been trying to find where she'd gone to.

She had to take the children and leave because of his threats.  When she said she wanted to quit prostitution - he threatened to use the two small girls in child porn if she didn't return to work.  As their father, and having legal custody, he could do such a thing.  Her only option was she moved in with a family from church so that he could not trace her using utility bills or lease records.  Now with these photos online - now she was in a lot of trouble.  She asked me how these photos got published in facebook when the only place she'd posted them was in a private "members only" group for members of SWA.

Beth had joined the group by telling the truth about being an ex-prostitute and it was Beth who published these photos on facebook of this woman and others in our group in public postings.  It had never dawned on me someone in the group would do such a thing.  The photos were not copyrighted meaning I had no legal recourse against Beth for taking those photos from inside the private group and posting them on facebook in public like this.  I hadn't thought to make everyone sign a contract that if they did such a thing they could be fined because no one had ever done such a thing before and I just never thought anyone would.  I've never had a survivor attack us before like that and was completely unprepared.

I had to scramble to help this woman get moved now because now the family found out they might get a pimp on their doorstep they were evicting her.  All I could think of to do was taken the group down.  Yes I could have sue Beth for an invasion of privacy but I was frankly too busy getting this woman, and her children, moved into another safe place where the pimp couldn't trace them which isn't easy to do when no one has any money, and the woman is also disabled.  She is living on SSI disability with fibromyalgia probably brought on by working as a prostitute from the age of 12 years old until she was 24 when she finally stood up to him.

Then she started contacting people in a yahoo forum we used to run which members also found very distressing "warning" them I was "pimping" actively.  No one believed it but they found her contacting them quite distressing.  So I had to shut down the forum group.  One woman was so distressed she told me she didn't sleep for two weeks after Beth contacted her saying I was a "pimp".  Not that she believed it - but that someone would look her up and reach out to her in that way just freaked her out because of her PTSD.  It's a shame I had to shut down those groups because for the members who worked full-time jobs to have a place they could come and talk to other survivors at night was a real loss.  Our "connectedness" has suffered a great deal since I had to shut down those groups also. 

To let Beth know I was not "pimping" I took and emailed her a copy of my banking statement back then showing I was living on $720 a month.  If I was pimping I was sure doing a lousy job of it.  I sure wouldn't be risking going to jail over social security fraud if I was either for $720 that I could make in an hour if I were to relapse. 

I thought this would be the end of it.  For some reason, Beth started accusing me of being "unethical".  I know just as much about projection as anyone else who has taking a psychology class or two - so it got me wondering.  She was representing herself to be a "social worker" and also providing "counseling".  Which in Arizona anyway you need to be licensed to do so.  One of the reasons I chose a 12 step format for our program is so that our members don't have to be licensed to work with one another.  Since she's rejecting the 12 step model - therefore she's going to have to be "licensed" if she's going to be providing "counseling". 

I checked with the Arizona state licensing board in July of 2013.  I remember because I was in Los Angeles that month working on a trafficking case, and having my daughter consult with a neurologist down there about her brain tumor situation.  Beth is not a licensed social worker, counselor, drug and alcohol counselor, nor a marriage and family counselor.  I also found out that Willow Way was not incorporated, nor was there a business license nor any 501c3 nonprofit status for it either despite her representing that she "ran Willow Way" online.  Which might also be why Cactus Counseling was having its license considered for revocation - they were using an unlicensed counselor.  Now either they knew and let her practice anyway - or they'd been lied to about her license.  I don't know.  Proof of their license being reviewed also is attached. 

I asked Beth to please stop telling people I was "pimping" or I would file a "defamation" lawsuit to start.  I've also been advised I can file a "tortious economic interference" since by an attorney because she has literally cost me contracts, and position within this community. 

How?  I have screen shots of her approaching many people "warning" them about how they would be "shunned" if they didn't stop speaking to me.  I had offered Jacqueline Homan a job.  However, Jacqueline couldn't even focus on the job properly because Beth kept hounding her saying that her "books wouldn't sell" and her "reputation would be harmed" and "people were going to socially shun her" if she took a job with me.  We tried to move forward with the job but Jacqueline literally couldn't focus on the training because Beth had her completely freaked out.  All of which I have screen shots to prove that unsolicited Beth took it upon herself to approach a trafficking survivor and tell her to refuse a job because Beth had started a campaign to get her to quit that job and rob us of a member and supporter.  A woman who had been without food in the house for days and without heat before I stepped up to wire her food money, help her get into school, help her apply for SSI, and even got someone to commit to paying $25 a month for six months to help her while she was working on learning a trade she could do from home.  For that - I had Beth, and Lynn Robertson, applying pressure on Jacqueline to stop having anything to do with us. 

Jacqueline was not alone.  I was in the middle of very productive talks with the Nebraska legislature.  They had announced they were "going after tougher sentencing" of the traffickers.  I had contacted them and explained this would just get more victims murdered by traffickers not wanting a witness to testify if there were tougher sentences.  I explained they needed to start offering more services for victims to escape and rehabilitate.  In response, they made an announcement they were doing just this.  So we were building a productive relationship.  Until Beth stepped in and started telling people that I was a "pimp" active current sense again.  After Nebraska politicians started getting contacted by Beth - they backed away from speaking to me also.  Again, I don't think because of me but fear of her. 

She's now an elected warning campaign for some reason about this lie.  I honestly said to myself "no one is going to possibly take this seriously".  But not a month goes by without someone sending me a screen shot that they are getting these "warnings" by Beth that I'm a "pimp" and to "stay away" from me.

Do you know why I publish my news clippings?  To prove I am a survivor.  No matter what anyone says they can't say I'm lying about not only being a witness but a survivor of trafficking.  The date on my news clippings show that I launched our program, and hotline, in 1987.  Further, we started calling for victims of trafficking to be recognized as existing by our legal system in 1987.  Now until anyone can show me a clipping pre-dating 1987 - that makes me the FOUNDER of this movement.

I started the OLDEST hotline and program for adults that has meetings today in the USA, Canada and five other countries currently.  I've answered FIVE times MORE calls than Polaris to date.  So I'm telling myself that no one will possibly believe this nonsense or take it seriously.  Which if that's all she did - that's what would happen.  No one would take her seriously and would move on.

However, one woman stood up to her.  Teresa Belsky.  Not to defend me but because as a survivor she said she doesn't like being told who she can talk to and who she can't.  She showed me a screen shot showing she told Beth she's not a personal friend.  However, that wasn't enough.  Beth insisted on her joining in an active attack upon me "or else". 

When Teresa refused to comply - Beth then took a post that she claimed Teresa had posted and spread it all over social media and the trafficking rooms in a drive to have Teresa ostracized true to her word.  Problem is that there is free software online that can "spoof" text messages, emails, phone calls, etc. and Beth did not verify that Teresa had even said this message she was now on the attack campaign on her tail about.  I contacted Teresa who told me she wouldn't say such a thing nor would she.  But that didn't stop Beth from going around to every trafficking group she could asking them to remove her as she'd had me removed. 

Isn't this a classic text book example of how Hitler got control over Germany?  No one stood up for me and no one stood up for Teresa.  Do you know what I hear a lot of good people saying also right now?  Good people in DROVES are leaving the trafficking field because of all the "in fighting" and how "nothing is getting done".  Well it might be because this woman has chased real survivors out of the rooms like an organized pack of wolves!

You'd think she'd run out of steam.  Not when this tactic is serving Beth so well.  She's been made head of the "Policy Chair" or something now with the United Way.  She's "training CPS workers about the needs of trafficking victims" according to her facebook page.   It's now June of 2015 and I got another screen shot showing that Beth, and now someone I don't even know at all, are going up to others online and also telling them that I'm a "pimp" active present tense.

Do you know how I get these screen shots?  I will repeat - I run the oldest and the largest program and hotline for those leaving the sex industry.  We have members like this one who go back to 1987 who have belonged to our program, and are in regular contact with me, all over this country, that most have JOBS now.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33weIPOhqVU  So when she comes up to these people trying to tell them this NONSENSE that I'm a "pimp" they bring this screen shot to me.  Which might give you an idea how widely she's doing this sort of thing to people. 

This is beyond name calling.  You call an African American the "n" word and that's still not calling them a criminal.  She however is calling a trafficking survivor a pimp - do you have any idea how heinous this is and hurtful to me?  A pimp is a criminal - so she's not only defaming my character she's telling people I'm engaging in a life of crime.  More than that - it's personally the most insulting word she can use against me. 

From where I come from, providing "counseling" to someone without an active license is a crime.  I didn't do anything.  I didn't report her to the board for this, nor Cactus Counseling for allowing her to work for them without a license.  Do you know why?

When I contacted the state board I asked them why she hadn't renewed her license since 1998.  They said it was because of "multiple mental hospitalizations".  Is that true?  I have no idea.  That's what they told me when I called to inquire.  But I figured that if Beth is a survivor, and if she has been hospitalized, and if she found herself a job then I should let her work.

However, that was before I started having people I don't even know hear my name - scream "pimp" into the phone at me and hang up the phone.  That  was before I'm having survivors tell me they think "there's no services out there" because she's so terrorized our members offline that people don't see we even exist any longer.  We had no choice.  She was going to every single person who said they were a SWA member on their profile and attacking them to the point where they were worried she was going after their job next.  What - an unreasonable concern after she applied pressure on Jacqueline to quit her job and got another survivor evicted?

Or when she directed a maniac who had said he wanted to find me and kill me online to another survivor she claimed was an "alias" of mine to justify what she was doing?  She pointed a maniac threatening to kill me to a woman who had two small children at home and told him she was me - she could have gotten this woman murdered so no I don't think this is a small matter.

Especially when in June of 2015, over TWO YEARS have gone by and I get a recently dated screen shot she's continuing this crazy accusation.  Clearly she's got people afraid not to listen to her or else they're next on the hit parade like how they chased Teresa out of the field, and many others who just left in disgust or those who didn't want to argue with her. 

Clearly ignoring her is not working - so I am going to move forward with legal action.  In the meantime, I've posted proof about her unlicensed status, along with proof she did not incorporate Willow Way until July of 2014 - long after she was representing this to be a real organization. 

I will be editing the screen shots (to protect other people's anonymity) of these attacks of hers and posting them online over the next few days.  My bank statement showing I live on $733 a month is also below.  Thank you.

Jody Williams
www.sexworkersanonymous.com




 

Copy of Cactus Counseling License Revocation Hearing - https://www.azdot.gov/docs/default-source/mvd-services/substance-abuse-counselors.pdf?sfvrsn=2




By the way, the "alias" that they are speaking about is one of two things:

1.   Whenever a member of SWA says anything to pipe up in my, or our, defense - they are labeled an "alias" of Jody and attacked and then blocked.  Mind you these are other survivors who are attacked without any attempt to identify who they are being this assault and shunned "justified" as being okay because it's really "just Jody" in their minds.

2.   I had no many people trying to kill me, and two people did wind up dead, in connection with my case, that to protect the court from liability of my being murdered when coming to court for my hearings which were public record, they put my name under the male spelling of "Rene Le Blanc".  My maiden name is Jody Williams.  I have been married to a Reyes and then a Rahlfs and then divorced again.  Meaning I've had several LEGAL name changes.

To be accused of being a "trafficker" a "pimp" and a "procurer" again I would think any rational person would ignore.  However, if has now reached the point where any member of SWA now who says anything in my, or our, defense - is immediately attacked and run right off the internet with people shouting "you're just Jody - we know you are" like somehow that justifies that type of behavior towards another survivor, let alone another human being. 

It has now reached the point where I have people I don't even know yelling "pimp" into the phone at me when I call agencies looking for help for victims I have in front of me in dire straights who have come to me for help. 

Which makes the other accusation of "keeping people down" even more heinous to me.  I have spent almost THIRTY YEARS of my life CREATING and NURTURING this movement - and now I'm seeing it being trampled by people who think that rational adult mature responsible people run around the internet calling other survivors "pimp" like it's nothing - and clearly people who listen to this sort of thing.  I mean Beth seems to be doing quite well for herself considering I now have three years of screen shots verifying the many people who have come to me telling me she's been making these accusations against me to people. 

Now Shawnee is clearly trying to cover her own backside in fear - and I'll explain why on a second post about her issues.  http://www.mediafire.com/view/ndpl7dnq8yoig2d/complaintletter.pdf

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Tuesday, August 6, 2013

Trafficking and Prostitution Services

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Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Copy of Letter I just Mailed Senator Nancy Collins in Mississippi

Dear Ms. Collins:
 
 
 
Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Jody Williams. You can read about my work with trafficking victims in John Quinones book "Heroes Among Us" that you can google actually and read online. I also have decades of news clippings at
http://www.hightechmadam.blogspot.com/2010/08/news-clippingsbiography.html showing that I've not only been working in the field of helping sex trafficking victims for almost 40 years now - but I'm also a survivor myself.
 
 
Unlike the "typical" (if there is such a thing) victim of trafficking - my case was a little different. The family of pimps who "turned me out" came not only from a literal family of pimps that had been doing this generation after generation (spoken about openly by Richard Pryor as this was his family), but they trained me in how to do what they do - in other words how to find, and exploit other young men and women into the sex industry.
 
 
So I understand the mind of a victim - as well as that of a pimp. I wanted to talk about this national push towards heavier legislation of stiffer penalties against the pimps in the sincere desire and belief that it's going to do something to deter this problem.

It's not.

 
Pimps know about existing laws that can already put them in prison for long terms. They know about laws like kidnapping, transporting prostitutes across state lines, even child pornography when their victims are below the age of consent. Since the average prostitute is "turned out" between the ages of 12-13 - they already know they're dealing with children - which means much stiffer sentencing if they go to court.

It's because they know they are facing serious prison time that they "brainwash" their victims to not only make sure they won't testify against them - but also to make sure they don't make a "reputable" witness on the stand. They use nicknames so that the victims don't even know the pimp's real legal birth names. Everything about what a pimp does is to make sure they aren't prosecuted.

Even down to showing that many of them have connections with law enforcement, politicians, the correctional system, and even judges in their "pockets". Look at how Eliot Spitzer was using prostitutes when he was the District Attorney for New York for example. A man like him is not going to let a prostitute hit the stand against a pimp - when it's his behind that's also going to be "outted" in the process. He is not a unique case.

They use violence also to show these victims that they'll never make it to the stand alive if they were to turn against them and testify.
 

Not that these threats are just idle either. I myself had to deal with not only pimps trying to kill me when I left the "family" and they were concerned about me turning state's evidence that was so bad I had to literally change my appearance dramatically and literally go live "underground" for a while to throw them off my scent - but I had cops trying to kill me too out of their fear I'd testify against them for their activities in my brothel and also their connections with these mobsters. If you check my clipping - you'll see that I had videotapes being made of my clients - which included when they were police officers. Modern prostitutes these days also have things like cell phone records, and cameras in their phones - and it's very easy to leave "traces" of seeing a prostitute these days that is of grave concern to men who have "something to lose".
 

You have to realize that I was a madam in Los Angeles in the 80's - which meant that I was in the whole middle of the Iran-Contra fiasco. I saw the trucks coming off the boats with boxes of cocaine and AK-47's being flooded into South Central Los Angeles. I knew the politicians who were behind this - disgusing this whole thing as a "gang" affair. You have to know I had politicians and police officers that did not want to see me hit a witness stand back then. 

When I managed to escape this with my life - I knew that many more were having the same situation. You can't turn to the "traditional" sources in many cases for help because the really big traffickers have their connections everywhere.

The stories go on - I get calls from local teen runaway shelters about how when the prostitutes have run there for shelter that pimps show up with machine guns demanding their 'property" back. The shelters don't report this out of fear they'll lose their funding and donors if word gets out that they can't protect these kids. So no one really hears about what's really going on out there as to how the "system" can't really protect these prostitutes.

If you want to get more pimps behind bars - then you have to do something about the corruption within the system and to make an environment that is safer for the prostitute to come forward to testify.

Or you can have prosecutors create cases that don't rely on the word of a prostitute as witness against them. I know this is possible because of a trafficking case in Hawaii where the DA flew me out there as an "expert witness" against a trafficker when he couldn't get the women to agree to testify against the trafficker. After hearing what I was going to say to the jury - the pimp plea bargained. The DA told me he never would have got the guy behind bars without using me to help - so I know there's other ways to do this besides relying on the testimony of a prostitute.

Here's my very valid concern about what's going to happen if they make stiffer penalties against these pimps - that more people are going to die than do already. It is already out of fear of prosecution that these pimps will kill potential witnesses. Another modern twist is that these pimps will actually profit from the murder by selling their organs on the black market. I know this because that's what's happening in Nevada right now. There's a pimp named Peter Todd who has made two of his prostitutes and a local madam all "disappear". He walks free because there's no trace of his victims - and one of my informants has shown me how the black organ market works here in Nevada to have helped him make the bodies disappear. This is not limited to Nevada either - believe me. The network that I was shown has connections on the west coast and across the USA.
 

And that's with the existing laws in place. If you push these pimps into a deeper corner with threats of even more hard time - you will not wind up with more of them in prison. You will wind up with more cases of missing prostitutes is what you'll wind up with. Especially when the streets are reporting they can get about $25,000 in one shot for the organs. 

The law is not considering these victims' side of the story because very few of them will talk openly and publically. Very few of them even understand what they are going through even - it took me a long time and a lot of work within the program I run with other prostitutes - to even understand my own story myself. So I do feel I have a unique and wholistic perspective of this problem - one that I need to share with you.

If you want more pimps behind bars and to reduce this problem - you need to create an environment that makes it safer for more victims to come forward to testify. Not one where victims are placed behind bars when charged with no crime until they agree to testify either. The system is treating the victims all wrong - and the corruption has placed them in an impossible situation where the only way to try to survive is to either look stupid, or refuse to cooperate.

Now I'm also going to say something that isn't going to be "popular - but the system is also not treating these pimps like they need any help either. Many of the pimps I have known have been literally raised from children to be doing this. They are often the victims of child abuse themselves. Many of them have learning disabilities, and have been through horrible abuse of their own - to have left them with no way of supporting themselves other than through the exploitation of young men and women.

Locking them up does not deter them. I know of what I speak because Sex Workers Anonymous allows in men and women who have a desire to recover. Which means we have had pimps come to us for help. Help we have given and been a part of more than one pimp turning his life around. Honestly - I've seen very few pimps accomplish this without outside help of some kind either. Pimps generally do it until they die - and they do not stop just because they get locked up.
 

Many pimps will continue to pimp from prison. I've seen the men and women visit them and put money on their books. I've seen them hit the ground running the day they're released to go back to pimping again - because it's all they know.

Currently there is no program in the United States that will offer them any help to quit other than Sex Workers Anonymous either. You will not find one trafficking program that helps the traffickers to quit. While the victims have witnessed violence - it's these pimps who are doing the violence. They need just as much psychological help and help adjusting to life outside of the sex industry - as does the prostitute - if not more. Because while everyone is finally acknowledging that the prostitute is a victim - no one seems ready yet to acknowledge that a pimp can be a victim too.

If you consider this - if you help one prostitute - you help one prostitute. But if you help a pimp - you're helping more than one prostitute that he would be pimping otherwise - for the rest of that man's life.

Pimps in prison just pass the "game" onto the younger men and others who are getting out. They even pimp prisoners while in custody - I've seen them do it for money on the books, food on commissary day, little trinkets, clothing, extra blankets, etc.

Again as I said - the pimps I was turned out with have been doing this for generations. I've seen them released after decades in prison - to be greeted by their prostitutes at the gate and taken right back into the game. All that's going to be accomplished by going after stiffer sentencing for these traffickers - is that you are going to get some headlines for law enforcement.

All on the back of the prostitutes - because then you're going to be placing more of them in a position where pressure is going to be exerted upon them to testify against these more numerous arrests. Which to me means more prostitutes being threatened with their lives and killed in the interest of politicans and police officers wanting to get headlines - and not because they want to do something to help the victims.

If you want to help the victims - you need to do something about the corruption within the system. You need to create a safer environment for the prostitute to testify in - or create laws which allow for other methods of building a case against a trafficker other than resting on the backs of their victims. You also need to create "proper" aftercare programs for the female AND male victims of the sex industry. This also means including the male homosexual victims of this trafficking crisis - something I'm also seeing ignore.
 

Frankly, some of the most horrible cases I've ever heard about in the some 250,000 men and women I've talked to over these years I've been doing this world wide have been the male victims who are turned out often as young as 10 years old into the world of gay prostitution and pornography. Yet I can't find one trafficking victim program right now in the United States that takes male victims except Sex Workers Anonymous - and Children of the Night. That is not enough to address this problem.

I am producing a radio show to raise awareness. If you would like to hear Friday's show where I interviewed Lois Lee from Children of the Night catch it http://www.blogtalkradio.com/radiorecovery

If I can be of any assistance, or if you come across any victims that can use our help - please put them in touch with us.

Thank you.

Jody Williams
http://www.traffickingandprostitutionservices.org/
http://www.sexworkersanonymous.net/
(702) 498-6211 Telephoned in the media and in lawmaking today.
 

Sunday, November 11, 2012

Children of the Night Radio Interview

TAPS is launching it's radio show on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, at 11:00 a.m. Pacific Standard Time at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/radiorecovery/2012/11/13/children-of-the-night--dr-lois-lee-interview  by interviewing Dr. Lois Lee - founder of Children of the Night.  They are a comprehensive program for youth who are affected by sex trafficking, prostitution and who are teen runaways.   You can find Children of the Night at www.childrenofthenight.org 

If you miss hearing it "live" you can always listen to it as a podcast later. 

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